I mentioned this briefly on Rey's first post about this mess, but Ren was a part of a group that was trying to undermine society's ills. I was opposed to him, working with a large number of powerful men to manipulate and trick his group into doing our bidding. We succeeded.
All of this was put into motion by a god named Yaldaboath. The God of Control.
Eventually, Ren and his group defeated this god, but another men stepped into that seat of power and forced his will upon the people of Tokyo. So Ren, once again, needed to free people from their chains.
[Suspiciously only owns up to the part where he's a bad guy, it's fine.]
It's more the breaking point for him. Since we've been here, we've been strung along again and again. First by Cassius, tempting us to act and play heroes. Then by Cassius again. Don't forget the part where Ren died in that other world named Zerzura, all because he was trying to do right by it. And then we were taken to gates against our will, and we're blind to who could do that. And then the simulation. Riverstone was the first major event since we returned, so it's unsurprising that it would be the final straw.
I've been seeing the same bullshit since I got here, Displaced after Displaced. Even with the turnover, it's all the same.
And then one of them claims he wishes to be domesticated while refusing to see the reality of what's happened and getting angry with you for fighting back.
Shouldn't that be more obvious? Or am I simply an immature child who needs you to have words with me?
i'm not calling you a child i'm just talking with you i think you know you're an asshole on posts like that and you're fine with it and i'm really fucking bad at lectures so who cares ian was more upset that i was in danger, if that changes anything i've totally seen him go on rants about how much this world sucks
You can think less of it and still be complicit. If you follow the throughline of his thinking, he would rather be seen as a part of this world than risk losing it. His reason for that is understandable, given the question of aliens, but it says a lot to claim that you wish to be domesticated. Controlled by it all. All it tells me is that he's in denial of how truly fucked up this world is, and how we're powerless every step of the way.
In that, he should respect your autonomy. Being angry at someone for willingly putting themselves into danger is pointless. Especially when he only seems reasonable when it serves him.
wanting to be controlled doesn't fit with anything else i've talked about with him either way, talking to him like that is shitty i don't think we're totally powerless, either or at least we don't have to be, you know?
Sometimes the first step to changing your circumstances is accepting them as they are. I'm not telling everyone to give up. But it would be much better if we recognized the reality of where we stand, rather than have lofty aspirations as if we've already overcome them.
Lance wishing to posture for holding up all avenues of thought while having a very sturdy argument for why one avenue is particularly problematic will never sit right by me. It means that, to some degree, he's worried about how it might seem if someone follows that path. Surely you'll see how he manipulates others soon enough.
I've already explained the problem with Ian. [The other problem is that he doesn't have the same blinding rage that he had when Ian walked into that part of the conversation. By this point, if Akechi is talking at all, it's because Ren's calmed him down.]
If you're seeking an apology for them or yourself, I'm not interested in giving it. You'll be much better off if you accept that now. And if you mean to imply that this is what I do all the time, then you'll notice that how I refer to them is the same again and again, for often similar actions.
This isn't me trying too hard, or trying to overcompensate. This is simply how I see them. See many of the Displaced. I won't be surprised if you don't. I'm a rare person to be found in Ren's company.
yeah, i know how you feel about them and congrats on being consistent, i guess? but if you could do me a favor and stop bringing it up to me in the future, that would be awesome i want to focus on the rest of what we were talking about how to get shit moving
[Because he hadn't only been referring to the public conversations. But he knows that's what it seems like. Alas.]
I'm busy tonight. Perhaps if people have an idea that's somehow more salient than Ren walking through an open door, I'll give my input. Otherwise, another time, hm?
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All of this was put into motion by a god named Yaldaboath. The God of Control.
Eventually, Ren and his group defeated this god, but another men stepped into that seat of power and forced his will upon the people of Tokyo. So Ren, once again, needed to free people from their chains.
[Suspiciously only owns up to the part where he's a bad guy, it's fine.]
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was it that school counselor guy?
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Maruki.
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i get it
i don't blame him
what about you?
why'd you get so pissed in that post?
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And then one of them claims he wishes to be domesticated while refusing to see the reality of what's happened and getting angry with you for fighting back.
Shouldn't that be more obvious? Or am I simply an immature child who needs you to have words with me?
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i'm just talking with you
i think you know you're an asshole on posts like that and you're fine with it
and i'm really fucking bad at lectures so who cares
ian was more upset that i was in danger, if that changes anything
i've totally seen him go on rants about how much this world sucks
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You can think less of it and still be complicit. If you follow the throughline of his thinking, he would rather be seen as a part of this world than risk losing it. His reason for that is understandable, given the question of aliens, but it says a lot to claim that you wish to be domesticated. Controlled by it all. All it tells me is that he's in denial of how truly fucked up this world is, and how we're powerless every step of the way.
In that, he should respect your autonomy. Being angry at someone for willingly putting themselves into danger is pointless. Especially when he only seems reasonable when it serves him.
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either way, talking to him like that is shitty
i don't think we're totally powerless, either
or at least
we don't have to be, you know?
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but when you say we're powerless every step of the way, some people just shut down
ren's good at inspiring people, right?
we need more of that
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play to your strengths or whatever
you don't have to be so mean to everyone else though
you know?
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Having and wanting are two different things.
What you say won't cause a breakthrough with me. You're better off speaking to Ren at this point.
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i totally missed that
how embarrassing
[Does the sarcasm translate? She hopes it does.]
it's fine that you don't like them or whatever
i'm not your mom
but the way you talk about them is gross
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I've already explained the problem with Ian. [The other problem is that he doesn't have the same blinding rage that he had when Ian walked into that part of the conversation. By this point, if Akechi is talking at all, it's because Ren's calmed him down.]
If you're seeking an apology for them or yourself, I'm not interested in giving it. You'll be much better off if you accept that now. And if you mean to imply that this is what I do all the time, then you'll notice that how I refer to them is the same again and again, for often similar actions.
This isn't me trying too hard, or trying to overcompensate. This is simply how I see them. See many of the Displaced. I won't be surprised if you don't. I'm a rare person to be found in Ren's company.
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and congrats on being consistent, i guess?
but if you could do me a favor and stop bringing it up to me in the future, that would be awesome
i want to focus on the rest of what we were talking about
how to get shit moving
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[Because he hadn't only been referring to the public conversations. But he knows that's what it seems like. Alas.]
I'm busy tonight. Perhaps if people have an idea that's somehow more salient than Ren walking through an open door, I'll give my input. Otherwise, another time, hm?
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but yeah, sure
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so don't?
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